Thursday, June 23, 2005

Grasping at Straws.......Rove on the DSM and...nothing less than victory. On who's dime?

Karl Rove on msnbc hardball--The Downing St. memo section:
Downing Street Memo
GREGORY: As you well know, critics of this war have seized on what's being called now the Downing Street Memo, based on meetings that Britain's Chief of Intelligence had with American officials about the war. One issue that comes up in that memo and subsequent memos is British concerns about the fact that the White House in their view wasn't adequately thinking about what happens after the regime falls.

ROVE: I'm glad you brought that up because I want to put that in context. First of all that is the British. a Brit making a comment about what he perceived to be U.S. policy. the "perceptions" are by Jack Straw, who, um, is more than a "brit" he was the British Foreign Secretary, and Lord Goldsmith, the "brit" attorney general........

But remember the time frame, it is months and months and months before the balloon goes up in Iraq.
exactly, Karl, now you get it. It was months and months before the blood filled ballon starting shooting RPG's and pissing napalm on Iraq. SO, if, on 10/16/02, the Pres. stated that "Our goal is not merely to limit Iraq's violations of Security Council resolutions, or to slow down its weapons program. Our goal is to fully and finally remove a real threat to world peace and to America. Hopefully this can be done peacefully. Hopefully we can do this without any military action." - George W. Bush, October 16, 2002"
Then why were military preparations for a war going on months and years prior?

And in those intervening months there was plenty of time planning for post-war efforts, vast amounts of planning. You never know exactly how a war is going to plan out. Napoleon once said, 'vast numbers of refugees enormous problems with food aid'- did not happen. Vast uprising- didn't happen. That we would see a vast uprising by hundreds of thousands of Iraqis- didn't happen. War is ugly, but a lot went very well with this effort and in part it was because the United States government and our coalition partners used the months to plan for any eventuality. well, did you guys forget to plan in the insurgents and suicide bombers??????? Your planning sucks, big time. And, ugly?Don't you think "ugly" is a bit of an understatement, and more than a bit of an insult to the dead and maimed of the Iraq War? And, Napoleon lost, idiot. Didn't you read the rest of the book?

GREGORY: But if you're talking about the number of troops necessary, the level of American casualties, the force and intensity of the insurgency, did the president mislead the American people about the cost of the war or was he just simply surprised by what happened?

ROVE: I would go back to the president's statements over the last several years and I would defy you to find one speech which he talked about Iraq where he doesn't say there would be difficult times ahead, that we had a long road to hope that a great deal of sacrifice was going to be called for by both the American people and by the Iraqis to achieve this goal. So what, he's always making speeches full of general rhetoric bullcrap, and so are you!

Look, we do not underestimate the ferocity and the anger and the viciousness of the people that we face. Yes, you did
We are in a war. You started it, and you mislead the American public and the world on the reason's for it, the WMD's
Some people may treat it as a law enforcement matter and be worried about indictments from the U.S. attorney from the southern district of New York. mmmmmm
But we recognize this administration and the American people we are in a war and the only way you have a successful outcome in the war is to aim for a complete and total victory, which is exactly what we're doing. ......Just like Napoleon.

I won't examine the arrogance and bravado that spills from that last statement. The disregard for everyone's safety, by insisting on "victory." The disregard for the military, so many of them National Guardspeople, that he has committed to "victory," instead of to a life with their families. Some of the articles below do much more justice to the Napoleon admirer's statement, than I ever could.

More on the Downing St. memos--but first, please TAKE ACTION

Crooks and Liars: Video of Keith Olbermann on the DSMs

From News & Notes with Ed Gordon (NPR Radio programming Tuesday, June 21):
"Democrats Stage Mock Hearing on Iraq Memo"

CounterPunch: Kevin Zeese interviews Col. Sam Gardiner

Counterbias: Sibel Edmonds—An Appeal to the Internet Community

The Nation: David Corn’s got Rove’s response to the DSMs

TomPaine: Fixed is Fixed

TomPaine: David Corn on why he’s obsessed with the DSMs

Rolling Stone Blog:

Original Detroit Free Press article:

The Miami Herald: Americans Inching Closer to a Reckoning


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